AsSalaamu Alaikum, sisters!!

Jazzak Allahu Khairun to Saajidah for letting us know about this club. Saaj, you said there were already conversations here but I can't find them - help!

WaSalaam,
Najiyah, from the Niqaabi Club

Salaam sister I am a believer that Niqaab is wajib, and i did post here, but i do not see it either! Inshallah for sisters that wear the Niqaaab full time, or for those who are interested in wearing the niqaab my join the egroup called " For Solely Full Veiling Sisters!" you can join at **www.egroups.com/groups/properhijaab

**and you can subscribe at [email protected]

Inshallah look forward to seeing you sisters there!

Salaam alikum sisters please visit my website, about you guest it! The Proper Hijaab, and see the picture that resembles me inshallah! you can visit at http://sites.netscape.com/saajidahmahmood

and inshallah please post how you like my site, here at the Muttaqun online!

Salaam alikum Teenage Niqaabi sisters you may join and post at the Teenage Niqaabi club!!!! You are more than welcome if you wear the niqaab as a teenager, or you are a teenager wanting to cover your face!! you will receive major incouragement mashlallah! To join please go to

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/teenageniqaabiscometolight

inshallah look forward to you meeting all of the Teenage Niqaabis inshallah!

Salaam alikum to all wheter Teenage or not Niqaabi sisters!! Please come to join the "For Solely Full Veiling Sisters egroup!" mashallah, you are more than welcome if you wear full hijaab, or interested in wearing the full hijab!
To view the egroups message describing the club go to

**http://www.egroups.com/groups/properhijaab

**to subscribe go to: [email protected]

Inshallah I can not wait to meet all of my full hijaabed sisters!

as-salam 'alaikum wa Rahmatu llahi wa Barakatu,

Please sisters, there must be more to our substance than spouting our appearance. Have we simply moved from needing to look the part in an unislamic society (i.e.; make-up and such, for the sisters that reverted) to now looking the part in our Muslim role? There must be more to women and their obsessions than this?
I don't usually tell people that I wear niqab because I don't equate my appearance with my knowledge. I wear it because it is best for me. That is not to say that I'm down playing the act of covering but simply that you can not always judge a book by it's cover, excuse the pun. I have met many sisters from all different spectrums of covering and I would never be able to guess which is more pious than the other based on their appearance.
No offense sister Saajidah but sites like yours and others, in my opinion, reflect a very superficial view of women in Islam. I have yet to see the same amount of sites done by Muslimahs that are full of Islamic information. I will pray that these sites that are dedicated to the art of 'niqab' are not giving the impression that Muslimahs are obsessed with their appearance and not the content of Islamic knowledge we all
possess.

Please forgive me for any intentional or unintentional words.

fee aman illeh, Affnan

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/IslamicInfo
*my humble webpage

As salaamu alaikum.


People who wear niqab are definitely not necessarily pious people. But people who don't wear it, yet understand that they should cover their face and have been shown the proofs on it.... these people I don't understand, can't relate to, and wonder what type of excuses make up for any sin. It's a sin not to cover. It's also a sin to do a whole lot of other things.

I have a very hard time finding pious companions/friends to have surrounding me in my life. Knowing someone isn't covering their face, (except those who just became muslim and are still making the transition into knowledge, etc.), automatically disqualifies the person as being someone I could trust as a friend. Why? Not for superficial reasons. Because of the plain evidence that they would repetively do something that suits their own desires instead of fearing Allah, swt over mankind. This deen isn't something we make up as we go, and I can't relate with people who do that - whether it's covering, smoking, or any other sin. Like I said, I have much sympathy for new reverts who usually just need time to find their way, so I look at that as a whole different situation.

Sister...... help me out here.... I am so tired of people thinking this is a superficial concern, about the clothes. Can anyone understand what I'm saying?

And here's my big question.... if clothing is just a superficial thing.. then why is it so hard for some people to change into hijab?? We have to really understand the word superficial when we use it. That means vanity, like comparing the flowers in my hijab to yours, etc.

Wajib Niqabis are a special group of people, insha'Allah!! They have their flaws like anyone else, but they are committed to following Allah's plan for their life and not going off on their own path, thinking they know better for their own life than their Creator does. Some sisters wear it because all their muslim friends do, too, and quite frankly, those sisters are usually pretty easy to see through after a few conversations. But those who truly believe in their heart that covering, including the face, is wajib upon them and act accordingly... are a minority, persecuted, and look for guidance in ways to easily GET the clothes and mostly to DEAL WITH the persecution of sadly, even people in the ummah.

I feel that perhaps the persecution in the ummah comes from people who hate to see us covered because they feel that we expect them to cover and assume we're snobby. Why would I care what somebody else does with their life... it's THEIR deen, they stand on judgement day before their Lord... all I can do is do my best to speak truth when someone is seeking it. I hate it when people assume they know me before meeting me. Not fair, huh?

I'm not about pushing it on anyone. By the way, whatever I type here on a message board isn't pushing anything on anyone, because YOU came here to read this ---so long as I don't call out your name and attack you here, I'm just relating to those who will listen.

Is there ANYBODY here who works full time in a kaffir situation and also wears the full hijab and niqab?? Sometimes I do feel all alone. But I don't do it for the people, so that's why I keep on doing it.

As salaamu alaikum

Salaam alikum sister Afeefa!!! Mashallah, sister I thank you for expressing my feelings about the properhijaab as well!!!! I do feel the same way that you feel, for all who are listening or reading! You strictly and sincerly summed it up sister! And again this is WAJIB NIQAABI board! And it says in the direction before getting on this board not to defame some one, or anohter sister because they believe Properhijaaab or full hijaab/niqaab is wajib!! Mashallah, I do not work in the soceity, I stay home mashallah, but I mean sisters like you sister Afeefa I pray that Allah really gives you Jinnah!! For sister, you have spoke my feelings as well. I get so tired of trying to defend my "why I give daleel on the proper hijaab" it is no longer funny, it is very heart renching mashallah! But you know after so many attacks, Allah always makes it easy for me, because many sisters have come to wearing the full hijaab or proper hijaab because of all of me presenting them with the proper daleel regarding the proper hijaab. Alhumdulilah. But you know, sister I just keep on going, no problem, my website will stay the way it is, so many sisters love it, and yes you will get smashed by your own sisters, but the majority will love you for it, The good outways the bad! My dress to me is far from being superficial! It is a major and mashallah big part of my life alhumdulilah, and I love every peice and part of my covering, very seriously, subannallah. And I inshallah before we know every sister will be in full hijaab for simply the love for ALLAH, And in truely obeying the Sunnah of Prophet (saw)! And inshallah they will not see there covering as superficial. For the sister that thinks the full hijaab of the Muslim woman is superficial, may Allah guide you! Alhumdulilah
anything good I said is from Allah, anything bad is from Myself!

A Salaam Alaikum,

SubhanAllah! I am a new niqabi, but i already am noticing that it seems other muslim sisters bash us the hardest! I in no way think i am above or better than any other sister just because i wear niqab! i started wearing it out of thankfullness to Allah swt for saving me from melanoma. I am only 31 years old with three little kids and had a close call with my own mortality. Needless to say i reviewed my whole life and decided change was in order since i could not honestly say i was ready to "meet my maker" so to speak.

I personally really enjoy all niqabi sites. if i want to do research about Islam i will go to a site constructed for that purpose. when i surf looking for niqab i want to read about others like myself.

right now i am the only one in my whole masjiid doing this. i am hoping inshAllah that more will see that it can be done and so try it themselves.
So i like all niqabi sites since i feel less alone. these sisters of mine in niqab have really encouraged me and stood behind me (something my own mother doesn't do).

If you don't like niqab or don't want to hear about it, why visit this board???

dani

As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi,

Insha'Allah, I did not feel that sister Affnan had attacked me. She wears niqab, masha'Allah. Whether or not she believes it is wajib, I don't know. But she is still my sister in Islam and I love her for the sake of Allah.

I just want it to be said for the record that my comments were addressed at the ISSUE of niqab message boards and gatherings of niqabi's as being superficial. She well expressed something many people are concerned with. I just wanted to address those concerns, to show that the issue of wearing what we are commanded to is more an issue of finding those who fear Allah (SWT) over others, than an issue of "oh, look at me" in any type of vanity. Insha'Allah. I think it is one thing to express such concerns, as it is always a valid concern that a sister wearing niqab does not think that this makes her better than others. It can never do that, because at most it means she's fulfilling her requirements. If I do all my salats, does that make me a better muslim... or just an obedient one, to what's already been given to me. Salat is fard, it is obligatory. If I don't do it, I fall short. If I DO do it, I am just meeting the requirements. Covering the face is wajib. If I don't do it, I fall short. If I do do it, I am just meeting the requirements. And can fall short in many other areas of my life, but the point is that my aqeedah, insha'Allah, is to meet all the requirements to the best of my ability, with no excuses due to feelings.

When the order to wear hijab was revealed, according to the hadith, the women immediately tore off their material and covered their head and faces. What more proof can a person need! Since when was an ayat revealed and the people decided to do EXTRA and this was OK?? Like when they were commanded to make four rakat.. what if someone decided to do FIVE... that would not be acceptable, to go above and beyond what is established.

Likewise with the men regarding beards.... no-one gave them permission to cut them off... some people just wanna call it OPTIONAL... because they don't feel like wearing it and say "hey, it's not directly in the Quran". Yeah, well what IS in the Quran is the order to follow the Sunnah. Sometimes there are questions over the authenticity in some sunnah; Allahu Alim that we must spend our lives researching and learning sunnah and how to distinguish truth from falsehood. However, there is no question about the authenticity of the hadith that the women immediately covered their face when the hijab ayat was revealed.

Hadith - Bukhari 1:148
The wives of the Prophet [SAAWS] used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:59
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Hadith - Bukhari 6:282
'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin, r.a.
When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.


As salaamu alaikum

wa aliakaum assalam wa rahmatulah wa barakatuh,

Sister Affnaan you have expressed my feelings exactly. When people ask me about niqaab I basically tell them that there are two opinions. One that it is wajib and the other that it is mustahaab (sp?). Regardless of what I believe. Since there are two opinions and they both have their proofs to back them up I can not tell a sister she is wrong or doing haraam for not covering her face. If it was so clear cut we would not have scholars differing on this subject. Both sides have their proof to back their claims. and Allahu Alim

I just want sisters to know that to many people dress is superficial. I know a sister who basically cheated on her husband and wears niqaab. And of another who smokes weed and is bisexual and has had encounters with women while being married -la howla wa la quwatta illa billah-And others who dont cover there face and will not look a man in the eyes nor peak to them or come two feet close to them. I just find that sometimes we spend our time focusing on certain issues MORE than we should. Im speaking in general now and this includes myself. Our dress is important yes no doubt. Do we have to cover yes are we sinning if we dont yes. But there is alot more to Islam than that and that is what i am trying to say.

I love my sisters for the sake of Allah.


This is all I have to say on the topic.

Any good I have said is from Allah any bad I have said is from myself.

Um Naseebah
(Sa'diyah)

Salaama alikums sisters mashallah, there are no opinions! There are authentic facts about the niqaab, even if there are opinions. The sunnah says that the face of the woman mashallah, the entire body must be covered, regardless of the opinions. I sincerly, respect the opinions, but not before authentic daleel! Sometimes even mashallah when we know the truth we tend to justify not doing it with two opinions. Even if it was 500 opinions (like there is) the 1 established fact still rides mashallah! and thatis that the niqaab is mandatory! Coming from every angle of Islam. NO one is under attack here, everyone has the right to thier feelings, but truth stands strong and hard! Niqaab or full hijaab according to the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(saw) is wajib mashallah! And even if we do believe it is of the two opinions, they both say it is highly recommended and there for niqaab should be worn for the sincere sake of ALLAH! And the ones who are saying niqaab is highly recoomeneded their wives are wearing it. So inshallah not to offend anyone, but we must stand on the authentic daleel regarding the muslim womans dress. Sisters also, to show the face and hands as supposedly been quoted by Prophet(saw) has been found to be WEAK hadith, and we can not stand on weak hadiths in Islam mashallah! The most authentic thinking and laid down by our Sahabas(ra) is that the anything shorter than the sheet that covers the entire body of the Muslim woman can not be considered as Hijaab!

As salaam alikum mashallah, I have forgotten a point. You know there are many clubs, speakers, imams and everyone basically talking about other aspects of Islam in general, and that is a mashallah because those topics are in dire need of discussion. But a few sisters talk about and promote the most beautiful dress that Allah has given us, and we take it as thought the whole word is talking about the dress of the muslim woman. As a matter of fact, I do not see It being talked about or represented enough by our local imams or students of knowledge. The focus of the muslim womans dress as been delayed long enough to me! There are just not enough muslims promoting the proper hijaab, and that is why we have so many muslim woman who have really gone off of the deep end with their covering, or who are very relaxed in it! Indeed the proper hijaab is one of the ways a muslim expresses her belief in Allah(swt) outwardly, and she properly promoted, and respected from all those around her, inshallah!

As salaam alaikum sisters! Please check the Home Schooling section of this board!

Assalamu Alaikum!
I am sis from Bosnia and just wona say that I fully support all the things that sister Affifa noted before,ofcourse that proper Islamic dress is obligated but it must be folowed by proper Islamic manners, worship to Allah and love and fear of Allah.
Salam sisters.

Asalaamu alaikum. Insha Allah, I would just like to say that I think it is highly inappropriate to make so light of an issue as important as proper hijab. There are many issues in our deen, they are all important. Some people have difficulty or hardship with some aspects and some find it difficult to get accurate information on some areas. This is why other Muslims wish to set out to provide dawah and information on specific subjects, insha Allah. Alot of sisters start a website that caters to sisters or deals mainly with one aspect of the deen, not to say the other aspects aren't important, but to help provide information that is otherwise lacking. Niqaab in particular is an issue that is (sadly) so controversial amongst Muslims and non-Muslims, that it is very difficult to find accurate information or to feel any support in wearing it. Sister Saajida is in fact providing a service to sisters by making a specific "home" for different topics of interest. She should not be attacked as "superficial" for addressing the very important issue of a woman covering.

It is true, the covering does not in and of itself denote piety. I agree that it is merely meeting expectations of that portion of the deen, but does not mean that you are up to par, so to speak, on the other areas. Insha Allah, that is what we are all striving for, to be meeting and exceeding expectations in all aspects of our deen, only for the sake of Allah. I have met many sisters that cover and are nasty creatures. And I have met sisters that do not cover and are sweet and helpful. But let us not forget that Islam is a COMPLETE way of life that includes all aspects of our living and we need to be striving to achieve them all, not making excuses for our shortcomings insha Allah. There is no excuse for a sister (except very new and making adjustments, or honestly ignorant or misled) to not be covered properly, just as there is no excuse for a sister to be backbiting, gossipy or rude and condescending to her sisters. If you are covered, you should have the attitude that goes with it. If you are a wonderful sister that keeps all of your obligations and is a ray of sunshine in other sisters' lives, you should cover to show your obedience to Allah. It all goes hand-in-hand, and we cannot pick and choose which parts of the deen we will take and which parts we will ignore. None of it is superficial or unimportant.